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Dear LERN, You Suck

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For the first 16 years of my career, Louisiana didn't have a comprehensive trauma system.

I sure miss those days.

Up until a couple of years ago, we labored under a fragmented and inefficient system of competing hospitals offering varying levels of care. There were only two Level I Trauma Centers, situated in Shreveport and New Orleans – opposite corners of the state. For several years after Hurricane Katrina, we were down to only one, and LSU Interim Hospital in New Orleans is only beginning to approach the capabilities of Charity Hospital, pre-Katrina. Here in southwest Louisiana, we're three hours away from either of them.

The state level bureaucrats recognized the need for a comprehensive trauma system, and for years we labored to make it happen. We held countless meetings and trauma town halls around the state, and tried to get all the various stakeholders on board for creating such a system. For a brief time, I was one of those bureaucrats who had to help organize and attend those interminable meetings and town halls, and those are wasted months of my life I will never get back.

But finally, all that work came to fruition, and they had the necessary buy-in from all the various stakeholders to create a comprehensive, streamlined and organized statewide trauma system, to be phased in over all the Department of Health and Hospitals regions over several years.

Thus was born LERN, the Louisiana Emergency Response Network, which is far from comprehensive, anything but streamlined, and hopelessly disorganized. It does, however, lend itself to a catchy acronym that rolls easily off the tongue, even though "Colossal Goatfuck And Waste of Time For Paramedics Too Busy Treating Patients To Answer Pointless Questionnaires Over The Phone" may be more accurate.

LERN was sold to the rural and community hospitals as one-stop shopping for their trauma transfers. No more calling every tertiary care center or regional hospital in the state to find one to accept transfer of your critical trauma patient. LERN would be a single point of access; simply call them, and they'd direct you to the nearest facility with the proper capabilities. Acceptance was pretty much automatic, all you had to do was call the ambulance to make the actual transport. I know, I was present at the orientation LERN made at PGHNSTRACH before it was implemented in our region.

It hasn't turned out that way. Those smaller hospitals still have to call multiple hospitals to get acceptance of their trauma transfers, and they often know better which hospitals to call than the LERN Call Center. Only now, they have the added layer of bureaucracy and aggravation of calling LERN first.

For the bigger hospitals, LERN was supposed to be an easier way of handling diversions than calling multiple EMS agencies. If your CT scanner was down, or if you didn't have ortho coverage for the weekend, simply call LERN, and they'd make sure the ambulances took those patients somewhere else.

Yet, I am frequently directed by LERN to certain Emergency Departments because they have the physician specialty coverage my patient needs, only upon arrival to be greeted by an exasperated triage nurse, complaining, "Why does LERN keep sending y'all here? We've told them five times today we don't have neurosurgery coverage!"

Oh, but it's the interface with EMS providers where they sink to new lows in suckitude. Allow me to demonstrate for you the typical EMS call to LERN:

The scene: An ambulance sits parked on the side of the Interstate, surrounded by fire trucks and rescue vehicles, state troopers, a dozen or so personal vehicles from the volunteer fire department, and a couple of miles of stalled traffic. The medics are working feverishly to assess and package a victim who has been ejected from a rollover MVC. As far as they can tell, he has no major orthopedic or thoracic trauma, but judging from his combativeness and the injuries to his face, he's got the potential for a serious head injury. Amidst all of this, the lead medic stops what he is doing, digs his phone out of his pocket, and dials a number.

[phone rings for roughly 90 seconds]

LERN: "Hallo, thank you please for calling LERN. My name Peggy, and how for I may help you today?"

Ambulance Driver: "Hi, this is AD with Borg Cube 547 on Interstate 10 in rural Podunk Parish. I've got a male patient, mid-thirties, with entry criteria of rollover MVC with head trauma. Need a hospital with neurosurgery, please."

LERN: "I am happy to help you, Sir. Your name, please?"

AD: "Ambulance Driver. A-M-B-U-L-A-"

LERN: "And what did you say your unit number was again?"

AD: "Borg Cube 547."

LERN: "And what ambulance did you say you were with?"

AD [losing patience]: "The Borg. B-O-R-G. You know, the remorseless collective that assimilated all the smaller ambulance services in this area almost 10 years ago? You know, THE ONLY FRIGGIN' AMBULANCE SERVICE IN YOUR REGION?"

LERN: "And your patient''s entry criteria is… [sounds of typing] … head trauma, you said? So you need neurosurgery."

AD [resisting the urge to reply, "No, I need a podiatrist to care for my head injury patient."]: Um, yeah. Neurosurgery. Good call. Thanks ever so much."

LERN: "And what did you say your patient's name was?"

AD: "Um, how is that relevant?"

LERN: "It's fine, we don't need a name. A date of birth will do."

AD [sighing and realizing the futility of arguing, does a hurried wallet biopsy]: "Doe, John. DOB 4-1-75."

LERN: "Okay, and what are your patient's vital signs?"

AD: "Don't have any, as of yet. We've been too busy getting him assessed and packaged. Plus, he's combative. You know, like from a head injury?"

LERN: "Well, could you get some vital signs?"

AD: "Okay, blood pressure of 80+ systolic, heart rate rapid and thready, respirations about 24."

LERN: "Oh, so his BP is only 80 systolic? You need the closest facility, then, if he's that hypotensive."

AD: "No, I said his blood pressure is at least 80 systolic because he has radial pulses. I have no idea what it really is, as of yet, because the patient is combative – from a head injury – and I'm too busy talking to you on the phone to continue assessing my patient."

LERN: " … "

AD (sighing and pulling the numbers out of his ass): "Okay, we've got vital signs for you. BP 94/60, HR 128, RR 24. Now can you tell us which hospital has neurosurgery coverage?"

LERN: "I can certainly do that for you, Sir, if you'll stand by while I get this information entered into the computer…"

[sounds of typing, then interminable silence]

AD: " … "

LERN: "I'm sorry, Sir, I didn't hear what you said."

AD: "Oh, nothing. I was just telling the first responders to start bagging, and my partner to get out my airway kit. You were going to tell me which hospital has neurosurgery coverage?"

LERN: "Oh, right. Well, there seems to be a problem with that."

AD (banging my head against the side of the rig): "What problem?"

LERN: "Yeah, your patient is an Aries. The only neurosurgeon in your area is Dr. Givney, and he's a Virgo."

AD: "Ummm.. and?"

LERN: "Those are fundamentally incompatible signs. It wouldn't work. But Dr. Harris is only 40 miles further away, and he's a Leo. They'd be a much better match."

AD: " … "

LERN: "I'm sorry, Sir, what was that you said?"

AD: "Nothing, just telling my partner to start compressions while I slit my wrists. Incidentally, we have an updated set of vital signs for you."

LERN: "Excellent, Sir! What are they?"

AD: "Zero, zero, and zero."

LERN (obliviously): "Very well, Sir. Would you like me to connect you to Second Rate Trauma Center, where Dr. Harris is the neurosurgeon on call?"

AD: "I think we'll just take our chances with Dr. Givney, if you don't mind. Provided, of course, you tell me at which hospital Dr. Givney can be found."

LERN (dubiously): "Well, that would be St. Mary Mother of Mercy Memorial Medical Center, but I don't think that's – "

AD: "The patient isn't capable of interacting with the surgeon, LERN, and I doubt the doc will pay any attention to his birthdate until much later. We'll risk it."

LERN (sighing in resignation): "Very well, Sir. Would you like me to connect you to St Mary's, then?"

AD: "Not necessary, LERN. Just notify them we have a 5 minute ETA."

LERN: "And your patient's condition?"

AD: "Decomposing."

LERN: " … "

AD: "Thanks ever so much for your assistance, LERN. What would we do without you?"

That's pretty much how every call to LERN in Region Five goes. Yeah, I'll cop to a little hyperbole in the description, because Dr. Harris is actually a Taurus, and he's only 30 miles further away. But otherwise, it's a wash.

The point is, when you pick up the phone to call the resource that is supposed to streamline the process of choosing an appropriate destination for your critical trauma patient, what you get instead is two minutes of pointless question and answer, and no real help. And all of this, mind you, is done before you start transport, while the Monday Morning Quarterbacks back at headquarters still have the clock ticking on your scene times.

So LERN, take note: It would greatly improve your system if you only asked for three pieces of information when you pick up the phone: location, entry criteria, needed resources at receiving hospital. Then, we could answer the rest of your dubiously relevant questionnaire without interrupting patient care or delaying transport. Have your call takers STFU with the questions unless they have aleady spit out the name of an appropriate receiving hospital.

Otherwise, I'll be forced to handle every LERN notification the same way I did last time, when I took the phone from my partner after you'd been giving her the runaround for two minutes:

"Hello, LERN? I can either fill in the blanks on your questionnaire and transport a dead patient, or you can tell me who has neuro surgery, and I can bring them a live one. Your call, LERN."

Turns out, that works.

  • Brian

    Sounds like the same issues we have in Kansas

  • http://profiles.google.com/afordhere Eric Ford

    Whoever setup the LERN call center used to work at a first level help desk.  The questions are the same.

  • Ltackett38701

    That is so screwed up that it is funny. I can’t believe what you have to put up with!

  • BH

    Never thought I’d actually be glad to work in my system.  One trauma center, provider judgement who goes, and nobody can say different. 

    We do have a slight issue with outlying ERs refusing to accept trauma codes (which aren’t really hard work, just pronounce them and move on with your day) because “ZOMG TRAUMA” which then forces some services to transport 25+ minutes to the trauma center for no reason at all. 

  • Morgan Kee

    Aww…Louisiana drank Maryland’s Flavor-ade about being “on the cutting edge of [1990's] EMS” huh?  My condolences.

  • usalsfyre

    There’s one in every crowd. BioTel in the DFW area at times seems like it’s outsouced to the same guys that do AT&T customer service. Thankfullyjann my use them to call report to one hospital and don’t have to use them for med control…

  • Ted

    I didn’t realize it until you mentioned it, but I stopped calling LERN b/c they were never able to give me any useful info and wound up being a huge time sink….

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like the same call center the Red Cross uses for class registrations… right down to the name.  With Red Cross, if your 11 y/o daughter wants to take the babysitter training, either she has to have a credit card in her name, or your name goes on the cert — there’s no way for someone to pay for someone else. And I’m not 100% sure I’d want AD as a babysitter…

  • http://profiles.google.com/medicmarch Chance Marchiafava

    I’d say this was all bullshit…if I wasn’t living it everyday of my life. LERN is a mess. Not knowing which of our hospitals can handle gravid trauma, or trying to direct me to a burn center with no beds. Ugh.

    -MM

  • Medicmarch

    Shit, AD, can you delete that? I didn’t want to post under my real name.

    I’d say this was all bullshit…if I wasn’t living it everyday of my
    life. LERN is a mess. Not knowing which of our hospitals can handle
    gravid trauma, or trying to direct me to a burn center with no beds.
    Ugh.

    -MM

  • http://twitter.com/insomniacmedic1 InsomniacMedic

    It’s amazing how a “re-organisation” so often seems to mean trying to fix something by making it 10 times worse… Good luck!! 

  • http://www.medicmadness.com Sean Eddy

    I think 911 callers share a similar frustration when they are met with the questions read off a card.

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s because Biotel is used to dealing with the stupidity of Dallas firefighters and they’ve had their IQ lowered via exposure. Every time I call in to Biotel I give them age, chief complaint, interventions, and ETA with no problem.

  • Concerned

    The reason why the small hospitals still have to call around is because they don’t utilize LERN! And I’m so very sorry but this whole post is completely full of non-factual information! I don’t know if you had a bad experience, people make mistakes… But I know this does not happen everytime you call LERN! Could you please get your fats straight and stop bashing something that could be helpful if it weren’t for people like you!

  • Anonymous

    Courtney, I’m guessing you’re somehow affiliated with LERN.

    If so, I’d suggest you get out and actually talk to some of the people who utilize the system. I know for a fact the smaller hospitals still have to call around, because I have witnessed it on multiple occasions myself.
    Furthermore, on the instances where LERN was used and those smaller hospitals still had to shop around, it was because LERN did not consider lack of bed space at the hospitals in question.
    And as far as LERN in Region V is concerned, from the perspective on the EMS providers forced to utilize it, it does indeed suck great big rocks off the sea floor. You will find that most providers in my region agree with my opinion, should you take the time to actually ask them.
    Don’t ask their supervisors or operations managers responsible for enforcing use of the system, ask the medics forced to call you, and you will find that they consider LERN a waste of time.
    And if you are too dull-witted to recognize the hyperbole in this post for what it was – drawing an extreme example and exaggerating it to make a point – then you are indeed well-qualified to be a LERN call taker: focused on trivia and silly questions, and unwilling to give the EMS providers the answers they called you for.
    I may have even talked to you on LERN before, which was probably just as much a waste of my time as replying to your comment.

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  • Arachal11

    Well Kelly Grayson, if you have such a huge problem with LERN please address it to your superiors, then it can be handled instead of making this awful display of how you feel. There are several false staements in what you posted and it is completely unacceptable. I’m sorry that you may have had some bad experiences but obviously this is not going to help the situation. You posted not to ask your supervisors or operation managers, that LERN should ask the medics, well have you brought this to them? I’m sure they won’t appreciate knowing their employee is conducting himself this way.

  • Anonymous

    My superiors know my complaints about LERN. I imagine they’re tired of hearing the complaints from their field crews.
    But we still call, just like our employer requires us to do, even though we know it is a waste of time.
    Tell ya what, rather than zealously defend LERN so much (it’s obvious you and the other girl are employees), why not listen to the criticism and change the way you do things? Because God knows, complaining to our supervisors hasn’t yielded any results thus far.
    Do this one thing, and you will eliminate 95% of the EMS crews gripes about LERN in Region V: instead of focusing on filling in all the blanks on your questionnaire first, and then telling the medics what facility they can transport to, TELL THEM WHAT FACILITY FIRST, so they can initiate transport while they answer the rest of your questions at leisure.
    It would be so simple to do, and make your system vastly more user friendly to the EMS crews: when a medic calls and says, “I have a patient with entry criteria X, and I’m at location Y, and I need a hospital with specialty Z,” then the VERY NEXT words out of your call taker’s mouth should be the name of the receiving hospital, PERIOD. Then, we’d all be happy to stay on the line and fill in all the other blanks WHILE we’re transporting and rendering care, instead of BEFORE, as the system requires of us now.
    Make that one little change, and LERN would be the valuable resource it was intended to be instead of the hindrance it currently is, and I’ll sing your praises to the skies right here on this blog. Heck, I’ll even put up another post titled, “Dear LERN, You’re Wonderful.”
    Until then, you’re not changing my opinion.

    Oh, and if you address me by name in any comment on my blog in the future, be brave enough to use your real name and employer affiliation, so everyone can know who you’re shilling for.

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  • Themcnaylors

    I do not work for LERN. I use the system and it works very well. You are very hostile and negative. The time it takes to call them is usually under one minute which includes the transfer to the er to give your report. I also use a 2 person lift, a slide board, and safety glasses. All of which take a little more time, but are well worth the benefits. The “average call” to LERN you outlined in the above rant is preposterous! The questions are never that long or in dept. If you have a problem with a particular call taker then report it. They Will pull the tapes and the times and the patient outcome, and deal with it accordingly. To voice your complaint in such a juvenile manor is very unprofessional.

  • Anonymous

    1. Good for you. Glad you’ve had good results with them. Your satisfaction is not shared by a number of EMS and hospital providers in my region.
    2. I have reported the problems to my supervisors, as have many of my colleagues. Still didn’t seem to do much. I’ve gotten more feedback from one blog post than I have from any other complaint I’ve voiced to my superiors.
    3. Yes, the example was preposterous. That’s what hyperbole is. Perhaps you should look up the word in the dictionary and get back to me. While you’re there, look up “satire” too, because something tells me you don’t understand either word.
    4. Rather than send trolls to complain about the messenger, maybe LERN should address the problem instead. While you’re here in my comments section whining about how mean and nasty I am, a LERN official was kind enough to do something constructive and send me a link to the LERN Call Center survey, which I have subsequently posted in another blog post, and urged my readers to complete and give LERN their honest feedback.
    5. The opinion expressed here is purely my own, and does NOT reflect that of my employer.
    6. Did I mention the fact that hyperbole and satire seemed to fly ten feet over your head?
    7. Your grammar and spelling need some work.

    Thanks for playing.

  • http://www.ambulancedriverfiles.com Ambulance Driver

    And what the heck is someone with an IP address from Elmhurst, Illinois doing using LERN? Or, for that matter, Jefferson County, Texas? Use LERN a lot from Illinois or Texas, do ya?
    First Courtney Concerned is defending LERN from way over in Georgia, and now you from Illinois.
    Aside from Ashley (who DOES work for LERN, because she commented from a LERN computer), you two are the only ones who have defended the system.

    From the feedback I've gotten from other medics who have contacted me in private, the system isn't so dysfunctional in some regions. But the call takers in MY region leave a lot to be desired, and in at least two other regions as well.

  • Themcnaylors

    Tolls ? Really? Grow up. I guess after reading excerpts from your book I had assumed you were a higher thinking professional. Clearly I was wrong if the way you deal with your problems is by demeaning anyone who disagrees with your all mighty opinion.

  • http://www.ambulancedriverfiles.com Ambulance Driver

    Yes, trolls. I’m very interested in how often you utilize LERN from Conroe, TX, because I’m almost certain my interaction with the system far exceeds your own.

    Now let me say this. I’m glad you found some enjoyment from my book. I like to think of myself as a higher-thinking professional, and you can judge for yourself from other posts on this blog, or in magazines, or elsewhere on the internet. You feel that I demeaned you on my blog. Sorry you feel that way, but no apology from me is forthcoming to a person who came HERE, into MY house on the internet, and called me juvenile and unprofessional. That sword cuts both ways, dear.

    If you start out nasty, Mrs. McNaylor, I will get nasty back. If you start out civilly, I will have a civil debate with you, and you may even change my opinion. Deborah Spann from LERN Region 8 did that, and the result of that interaction was another blog post in which I posted the letter from Paige Radcliffe and invited my readers to take the LERN Call Center Survey.

    If you’re happy with their system, I urge you to go tell them so. I am not, and I told them so.

    The bottom line is, this is MY blog, and MY little corner of the internet. What I post here is my business, and in keeping with the social media policy of my employer. You may not like it, and in the case of this post, obviously you didn’t. Fine, you’re free to come and go as you please. But don’t come here and crap on my floor and expect all sunshine and roses from me in return.

    This blog is my place to educate, entertain, unburden my soul about things that trouble me, and yes, occasionally to rant if I am pissed off. I don’t reveal patient information here, all details of calls are obfuscated, disguised or otherwise altered, and I don’t air my employer’s laundry in public, nor even, in fact, mention my employer by name.

    I encourage debate, and we’ve had some doozies here in my comments section. I don’t censor or delete comments, even ones like yours that include unflattering or hostile opinions. My one rule, and you’re treading close to it, is that I will not allow personal attacks on my blog – not from my opponents or my supporters. You may comment here as freely as you wish, but do not call names or be personally discourteous to anyone. And as far as our interaction goes, YOU went there first, sister.

    Now, if you want to debate civilly, I’m game. If you want to catfight and call names like it’s junior high school, I’ll simply ban you from commenting.

    I’ve already said here in this post, the other post, and in numerous comments that I, and others, have voiced our complaints with LERN in Region V to our superiors. Despite that, the call takers have not improved their game.

    So I ranted about it here on my blog. If you don’t like it, tough. It wasn’t directed at you, and your part in this little contretemps was one that YOU took on YOURSELF. YOU waded into the argument, so don’t get all self-righteously offended when someone chooses to argue back.

    I sincerely hope LERN revises their call-taking procedure in Region V, because if they did, LERN would be a valuable resource instead of the hassle it currently is. If that happens, and the next time I call LERN I don’t have to play Twenty Questions before they’ll spit out the name of a receiving facility, I will gladly post it right here on my blog, and sing their praises publicly.

    I’m a fair man. When you screw up, I’ll tell you so. First, I will do it in private. LERN wants us to do that via our supervisors, and I and others have done so to no avail. If that doesn’t work after several tries, I’m not going to criticize in private any more.

    The flip side of that coin is, if it’s done right, I’ll be the first one to use this platform to praise them publicly. I sincerely hope they give me cause to praise them.

    So, in closing, feel free to read and comment here at will. But if you want to play in my comments section, be nice. If you can’t be nice, I’m not going to be nice back.

    And then I will ban you from commenting permanently.

  • MidwestMedic

    Although our trauma bypass system is much, much smoother and almost entirely relies on the judgement of the EMS providers caring for the patient, this is a very “close to home” story as it relates to how efficient most of our EMS is in my particular state.


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