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On The Second Amendment…

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…and lines in the sand. At what point do you draw yours?

My buddy Mule Breath posts a musing on the meaning and application of the Second Amendment. In it, he opines:

There are wing nuts on both ends of the gun issue, who make it difficult to conduct a reasonable debate on the subject; but I would like to try. I’ll start by posting the following. A friend sent this little ditty this morning by email, and I wanted to see if anyone is interested in commenting.

Go RTWT. You’ve probably seen the story in your e-mail inbox in recent days, anyway.

My comment was as follows:

Yet another example of the place where Great Britain used to be.

For me, the 2nd Amendment is the citizen’s defense against government tyranny, and should be defended vigorously.

And while you say that you are not totally opposed to gun control legislation, what legislation in your eyes would be reasonable?

Keep in mind, now, that many citizens (or is it subjects?) of Great Britain probably felt as you do, that some reasonable control of weapons was a good thing. Only now, they’re seeing, much to their dismay, how much incrementalism has eroded their rights.

It starts with registration. Then it expands to outright bans. They target the weapons the Average Joe or Nigel neither owns nor understands. “That sounds reasonable,” they’ll muse. “Why would any normal person want one of those weapons?”

And they support the ban.

And then comes the expanded registration. Then the ban is expanded to include guns that aren’t so unfamiliar or scary.

Only now, the government has legal precedent behind them, and a generation of children has been raised without handguns, and hence even granddaddy’s fowling piece or stag rifle looks scary to them. So naturally, they support the banning of those weapons. “After all,” they muse, “what would any reasonable person want with those weapons?”

And so it goes, on and on, until one day they wake up and discover that not only aren’t they allowed to possess any weapons, but they aren’t even allowed to defend themselves, period.

That’s the place where (formerly) Great Britain finds itself today. And I’ll die before I see the same thing happen in the United States – probably at the hand of my government.

That’s what the politicians do, Mule Breath. When the original assault weapons ban was proposed, it would have outlawed such guns as my daddy’s Browning A5 or a Remington 1100. Whether you believe such lunacy was intentional on the part of those who drafted the legislation or you believe it was an accident resulting from people too stupid to understand what they’re trying to legislate, doesn’t matter. Your rights are stripped, just the same.

I’ve heard you say before that the only difference between liberals and conservatives is what part of the Constitution they’re willing to piss on, and I agree.

But the reason I largely vote Republican and not Democrat is because the Republicans seem less likely to deny me the one Constitutional right I can use to defend all the others.

I know most of my readers are 2A supporters, but there are also a fair number of the medical readers who favor some level of gun control legislation. Some read from overseas, and don’t understand the American gun culture. What they don’t understand is that it’s not necessarily a gun culture. It’s a rights culture, and they’re used to not having any.

So go over there, read, and leave your comments, pro or con. Keep in mind now that Mule Breath is a friend of mine, and owner of a sizable arsenal of his own. Moreover, he’s a Texas gentleman, and I’d ask that you keep your comments/arguments civil and courteous when you visit his blog.

It would piss me off if Mule Breath welcomed my readers into his home, only to discover that they shit on the carpet while they were there.

  • fuzzys dad

    We need to be respectful of other points of view.Then politely point out where they are wrong.Then if need be just agree to disagree. You and disagree without out being nasty.

  • fuzzys dad

    We need to be respectful of other points of view.Then politely point out where they are wrong.Then if need be just agree to disagree. You and disagree without out being nasty.

  • Mule Breath

    “<>It would piss me off if Mule Breath welcomed my readers into his home, only to discover that they shit on the carpet while they were there<>“Yeah, I toss <>my own<> friends out when they do that.

  • Mule Breath

    friends out when they do that.

  • C. S. P. Schofield

    For some reason, I can’t seem to comment on Mule Breath’s Blog (I’m not a techie, I just married one), so I’ll do it here if you don’t mind.I guess I’m an extremist. I believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights as written, in English. That means I see no Constitutional way to prevent the publication of Pornography, no matter how gross. No exceptions ate written into the 1st Amendment, so none exist, Period, stop.For the same reason, I read the Second Amendment as putting beyond the pale all bans, license schemes, registrations, waiting periods, and taxes on weapons and ammunition. “Shall not be infringed” covers one hell of a lot.Is this a good idea? I think that’s open to debate (though I have strong opinions unlikely to please my Gun Grabber In-Laws). But to GET to that debate, the Gun Control twerps need to Amend the Constitution.I, personally, would be willing to entertain a Law that restricts the public to those arms which may legally be carried by Federal, State, or Local Law Enforcement, with a codicil severely restricting the use of the Military within the borders.If they want to ban something, they can do without it themselves.I can hear the squeals of outrage now.I own no guns. I am far more interested in keeping the government from changing the rules on a whim.

  • C. S. P. Schofield

    For some reason, I can’t seem to comment on Mule Breath’s Blog (I’m not a techie, I just married one), so I’ll do it here if you don’t mind.I guess I’m an extremist. I believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights as written, in English. That means I see no Constitutional way to prevent the publication of Pornography, no matter how gross. No exceptions ate written into the 1st Amendment, so none exist, Period, stop.For the same reason, I read the Second Amendment as putting beyond the pale all bans, license schemes, registrations, waiting periods, and taxes on weapons and ammunition. “Shall not be infringed” covers one hell of a lot.Is this a good idea? I think that’s open to debate (though I have strong opinions unlikely to please my Gun Grabber In-Laws). But to GET to that debate, the Gun Control twerps need to Amend the Constitution.I, personally, would be willing to entertain a Law that restricts the public to those arms which may legally be carried by Federal, State, or Local Law Enforcement, with a codicil severely restricting the use of the Military within the borders.If they want to ban something, they can do without it themselves.I can hear the squeals of outrage now.I own no guns. I am far more interested in keeping the government from changing the rules on a whim.

  • Rogue Medic

    C. S. P. Schofield,That doesn’t seem unreasonable.

  • Rogue Medic

    C. S. P. Schofield,That doesn’t seem unreasonable.

  • David J.

    Long time reader, first time commenter. I am a sophmore in high school, and currently an expert in rifle, and marksman 1st class in bullseye pistol. Through my time working with my Boy Scout riflery team, shooting with my dad, and enjoying your blog, as well as Xavier’s and Lawdog’s, I have come to understand firearms, and the laws surrounding them, rather well. Through that, I have gained a reputation as a right wing fanatic in my very liberal hometown, as well as my school community. They refuse to acknowledge my principle arguments, and patently ignore such evidence as we see in ‘Great’ Britain. I am not a fanatic. I am an American, with all that that entails. I know my rights (I keep a copy of the Constitution in my wallet) and I am prepared to fight for them. Yet I am labeled as extreme. Why is this? If I knew, I wouldn’t have this problem. But I can say that a man serving life in prison in an attempt to save his own life is a fundamental miscarriage of justice.I think that few people would be so quick to surrender their rights if they were more aware of where that leads. And so, I must thank the entire gun-blogger community, for endeavoring to do just that, while at the same time showing yourselves to be funny, interesting, good people, not the insane psychopaths portrayed by those who would give up our fundamental right to bear arms. Thank you for providing reasonable, clear-headed analysis of these issues. You have helped me to form my own opinions of guns, and the control of the same. You have helped me to sway some of the most anti-gun people I have known. It’s people like you who can keep the citizens of The United States of America free from the inevitable increase of government. This message goes out to all those in the gun-blogging community. Thank you.~A Young Shooter

  • David J.

    Long time reader, first time commenter. I am a sophmore in high school, and currently an expert in rifle, and marksman 1st class in bullseye pistol. Through my time working with my Boy Scout riflery team, shooting with my dad, and enjoying your blog, as well as Xavier’s and Lawdog’s, I have come to understand firearms, and the laws surrounding them, rather well. Through that, I have gained a reputation as a right wing fanatic in my very liberal hometown, as well as my school community. They refuse to acknowledge my principle arguments, and patently ignore such evidence as we see in ‘Great’ Britain. I am not a fanatic. I am an American, with all that that entails. I know my rights (I keep a copy of the Constitution in my wallet) and I am prepared to fight for them. Yet I am labeled as extreme. Why is this? If I knew, I wouldn’t have this problem. But I can say that a man serving life in prison in an attempt to save his own life is a fundamental miscarriage of justice.I think that few people would be so quick to surrender their rights if they were more aware of where that leads. And so, I must thank the entire gun-blogger community, for endeavoring to do just that, while at the same time showing yourselves to be funny, interesting, good people, not the insane psychopaths portrayed by those who would give up our fundamental right to bear arms. Thank you for providing reasonable, clear-headed analysis of these issues. You have helped me to form my own opinions of guns, and the control of the same. You have helped me to sway some of the most anti-gun people I have known. It’s people like you who can keep the citizens of The United States of America free from the inevitable increase of government. This message goes out to all those in the gun-blogging community. Thank you.~A Young Shooter

  • medicblog999

    Really interesting post, thank you!As a Brit myself, I have to be honest and tell you that when I read your posts which are about your guns etc, I did often question my thoughts on them and think it a bit odd to appear to be so “fanatical”. However, this post has really given me something to think about.Thank you for your thoughts.

  • medicblog999

    Really interesting post, thank you!As a Brit myself, I have to be honest and tell you that when I read your posts which are about your guns etc, I did often question my thoughts on them and think it a bit odd to appear to be so “fanatical”. However, this post has really given me something to think about.Thank you for your thoughts.

  • MiniKat

    There is nothing wrong or difficult with being respectful. I believe it shows a high level of intelligence and character to befriend someone with views that differ from one’s own.

  • MiniKat

    There is nothing wrong or difficult with being respectful. I believe it shows a high level of intelligence and character to befriend someone with views that differ from one’s own.

  • Anonymous

    Too right, my friend. I am one of those despised Europeans who do not understand your gun culture. Only problem is: I do. I have a fair amount of guns myself. Most of them airguns, but I own an 8×57 Mauser, a 12 gauge over-under and an Europellet gun (Taurus PT24/7). All licensed. I used to own a 1911 Colt, but alas: that one is not allowed anymore. Too scary, I think.Oh, BTW: for any of my fellow Europeans who read this and think I’m crazy: so far (and I am over 60) I managed to not have shot anybody. Not that nobody didn’t deserve it, but it comes with teh territory: most gun owners are of the law-abiding kind. At the moment you can own any type of airgun here, so I have a Dragon Slayer in .50 and a 9 mm Career. So what happens? the media are banging the drum so that anything over .177 will be illegal. “You can order a 5.5 mm gun in Germany which will shoot pellets at 110 m/sec” (cue scary music here). That’s a lousy underwhelmed 350 ft/sec for those who do not understand the metric system. And then we are talking about a .22 pellet weighing in at 14 grains…You see what is going to happen, don’t you? “why would anybody in his right mind own a .50?” So we ban that one. Next on the list is the 9 mm. And-so-on. Until the only legal airgun in this country is a .177. We can look at not-so-great-Britain-anymore for our future. We already have problems importing FAC (fire arms certificate) guns from England. Not beause the gun is illegal here, but nobody wants to transport it outside Britain for fear of prosecution. The net effect is that I cannot order arms from Britain anymore.Just keep heading them off at the pass, or you *will* end up at the same position. And yes, this is an anonymous post. For obvious reasons. I hope people will understand that.

  • Anonymous

    Too right, my friend. I am one of those despised Europeans who do not understand your gun culture. Only problem is: I do. I have a fair amount of guns myself. Most of them airguns, but I own an 8×57 Mauser, a 12 gauge over-under and an Europellet gun (Taurus PT24/7). All licensed. I used to own a 1911 Colt, but alas: that one is not allowed anymore. Too scary, I think.Oh, BTW: for any of my fellow Europeans who read this and think I’m crazy: so far (and I am over 60) I managed to not have shot anybody. Not that nobody didn’t deserve it, but it comes with teh territory: most gun owners are of the law-abiding kind. At the moment you can own any type of airgun here, so I have a Dragon Slayer in .50 and a 9 mm Career. So what happens? the media are banging the drum so that anything over .177 will be illegal. “You can order a 5.5 mm gun in Germany which will shoot pellets at 110 m/sec” (cue scary music here). That’s a lousy underwhelmed 350 ft/sec for those who do not understand the metric system. And then we are talking about a .22 pellet weighing in at 14 grains…You see what is going to happen, don’t you? “why would anybody in his right mind own a .50?” So we ban that one. Next on the list is the 9 mm. And-so-on. Until the only legal airgun in this country is a .177. We can look at not-so-great-Britain-anymore for our future. We already have problems importing FAC (fire arms certificate) guns from England. Not beause the gun is illegal here, but nobody wants to transport it outside Britain for fear of prosecution. The net effect is that I cannot order arms from Britain anymore.Just keep heading them off at the pass, or you *will* end up at the same position. And yes, this is an anonymous post. For obvious reasons. I hope people will understand that.

  • Mule Breath

    Anonymous said…<>“most gun owners are of the law-abiding kind”<>Unfortunately that is not the condition here in the States. At least it is not the perceived condition. We have many, many bad guys possessing firearms and they do much harm with them. Legal gun owners do very little harm in comparison. The problem is that it is very easy to pass a restriction that will affect legal gun ownership but will not touch the bad guys. Criminals, by definition, do not obey the law. So, in effect, restrictions will disarm the law-abiding and enable the criminal. This is not a reasonable scenario, but the extremists, for some reason, cannot see it.<>“And yes, this is an anonymous post. For obvious reasons. I hope people will understand that”<>Yes, I certainly understand. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in various countries outside the States, and I full well understand.If you haven’t already, please come over to my blog to add your comments.http://muledungandash.blogspot.com/

  • Mule Breath

    Yes, I certainly understand. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in various countries outside the States, and I full well understand.If you haven’t already, please come over to my blog to add your comments.http://muledungandash.blogspot.com/

  • LL

    Guns make me happy in my pants.Kinda like you, AD. *grin*Meh, the way I feel is that we are on a juggernaut of Big Government and as much as we squeal out here in the Real World, those in DC are going to do as they please. There was an article online about how the phone lines are being flooded with calls about the Stimulus Plan. How much you want to bet they’re gonna push through whatever they damn well please? Pelosi said outright: I didn’t come here to be partisan. I didn’t come here to be bipartisan. I came here, as did my colleagues, to benonpartisan, to work for the American people, to do what is in their interest.”Note she didn’t say she went to DC to do what her voters want her to do. It’s what’s in “their interest” as she defines it.We’re all fucked.

  • LL

    Guns make me happy in my pants.Kinda like you, AD. *grin*Meh, the way I feel is that we are on a juggernaut of Big Government and as much as we squeal out here in the Real World, those in DC are going to do as they please. There was an article online about how the phone lines are being flooded with calls about the Stimulus Plan. How much you want to bet they’re gonna push through whatever they damn well please? Pelosi said outright: I didn’t come here to be partisan. I didn’t come here to be bipartisan. I came here, as did my colleagues, to benonpartisan, to work for the American people, to do what is in their interest.”Note she didn’t say she went to DC to do what her voters want her to do. It’s what’s in “their interest” as she defines it.We’re all fucked.

  • Herbie

    As someone who used to be the typical Brooklyn Democrat, I hated guns growing up, and believed in gun control…..until I moved to PA.I met friends with guns. I learned about them, about being safe around them and all. Then after 9/11, I switched parties, and actually now own a rifle, which I keep loaded (and locked up when there are kids at my house). I work in the town I live in, and made it a point to talk to all the cops to let them know I have one, and to learn the laws about them.Guns don’t kill people; the person pulling the trigger is the one who kills people by making a conscious decision to do so.I’m not afraid to use it to protect my life, or the life of my family. P.S. It’s good to see the discussion remain mature. Keep it up.

  • Herbie

    As someone who used to be the typical Brooklyn Democrat, I hated guns growing up, and believed in gun control…..until I moved to PA.I met friends with guns. I learned about them, about being safe around them and all. Then after 9/11, I switched parties, and actually now own a rifle, which I keep loaded (and locked up when there are kids at my house). I work in the town I live in, and made it a point to talk to all the cops to let them know I have one, and to learn the laws about them.Guns don’t kill people; the person pulling the trigger is the one who kills people by making a conscious decision to do so.I’m not afraid to use it to protect my life, or the life of my family. P.S. It’s good to see the discussion remain mature. Keep it up.

  • Maeve

    “It would piss me off if Mule Breath welcomed my readers into his home, only to discover that they shit on the carpet while they were there”I find it sad that you even have to post that. People never cease to amaze me with how they act.

  • Maeve

    “It would piss me off if Mule Breath welcomed my readers into his home, only to discover that they shit on the carpet while they were there”I find it sad that you even have to post that. People never cease to amaze me with how they act.

  • Old NFO

    Civil discussion over 2A is hard… Many want to cling to their perceptions/points and get shrill/loud when someone counters them with facts…

  • Old NFO

    Civil discussion over 2A is hard… Many want to cling to their perceptions/points and get shrill/loud when someone counters them with facts…

  • Mule Breath

    Old NFO states …<>Civil discussion over 2A is hard <> and <>Many want to cling to their perceptions<>Indeed you hit the nail on the head, but I would posit that a 2A debate is not the only place where civility, and even truth, may be lost. Without stirring too much merda, let me refer you to a discussion in which you participated over on my blog last December, regarding the use of the term “swiftboating”. My intention now in defending 2A is the same as it was then. Truth is more important than winning.

  • Mule Breath

    Indeed you hit the nail on the head, but I would posit that a 2A debate is not the only place where civility, and even truth, may be lost. Without stirring too much merda, let me refer you to a discussion in which you participated over on my blog last December, regarding the use of the term “swiftboating”. My intention now in defending 2A is the same as it was then. Truth is more important than winning.

  • #1 Dinosaur

    < HREF="http://muledungandash.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">My take<>: how about regulating the “where” instead of the “who” or the “what.”

  • #1 Dinosaur

    : how about regulating the “where” instead of the “who” or the “what.”

  • Crucis

    The events described on Mule Breath’s blog are lamentable. However, one important facet continues to be overlooked. Brits are nor free men. They may think that their Parliament makes them free but they’re wrong. Brits, collectively all within the United Kingdom, are subjects of the Crown–a concept going back to the feudal era. The liberties enjoyed by the British subjects are only those granted to them by their government.As with any privilege granted by a government, that privilege can also be restricted or removed. Pity them their misconceptions. Pray that one day they will realize what they are and stand up like a free man.Then—contrast the British Subject with the American Citizen and marvel at the crucial differences. We could be like them. And, may yet if we allow it.

  • Crucis

    The events described on Mule Breath’s blog are lamentable. However, one important facet continues to be overlooked. Brits are nor free men. They may think that their Parliament makes them free but they’re wrong. Brits, collectively all within the United Kingdom, are subjects of the Crown–a concept going back to the feudal era. The liberties enjoyed by the British subjects are only those granted to them by their government.As with any privilege granted by a government, that privilege can also be restricted or removed. Pity them their misconceptions. Pray that one day they will realize what they are and stand up like a free man.Then—contrast the British Subject with the American Citizen and marvel at the crucial differences. We could be like them. And, may yet if we allow it.

  • tgtsmom

    The last portion of my comment to MB:Of far greater concern to me than efforts to pass legislation that would curtail our rights is the growing belief from larger and larger segments of our population that their individual desires are more pertinent than these rights. So many seem to feel that, so long as they still get their gravy, what does it matter that some schmo elsewhere has his rights trampled on. My only hope lies in this simple chain of discussions here, and others like them. I believe, so long as you are all here, talking to each other, there is still a chance to avoid the downfall both fringe elements (left and right) prophesy. I am, likewise, very please to see such a civil discussion.

  • tgtsmom

    The last portion of my comment to MB:Of far greater concern to me than efforts to pass legislation that would curtail our rights is the growing belief from larger and larger segments of our population that their individual desires are more pertinent than these rights. So many seem to feel that, so long as they still get their gravy, what does it matter that some schmo elsewhere has his rights trampled on. My only hope lies in this simple chain of discussions here, and others like them. I believe, so long as you are all here, talking to each other, there is still a chance to avoid the downfall both fringe elements (left and right) prophesy. I am, likewise, very please to see such a civil discussion.

  • Anonymous

    The mistake Martin made was calling the police in a country where there is no right to self defense. Instead of letting the criminals kill him right away he chose to let the government kill him slowly in prison.He should have made sure neither criminal left the house. Using the trunk of his car he should buried the bodies where they wouldn’t be found.

  • Anonymous

    The mistake Martin made was calling the police in a country where there is no right to self defense. Instead of letting the criminals kill him right away he chose to let the government kill him slowly in prison.He should have made sure neither criminal left the house. Using the trunk of his car he should buried the bodies where they wouldn’t be found.

  • Farm.Dad

    I went , I commented , I was ( in my view ) polite . I also however said it like i see it , and now most likely just need to read and lurk . I will say that it is one of the better threads i have seen on the issue , its just that i see the issue as rather black and white , and no amount of well intentioned verbiage is going to budge me from my stance on any civil right , much less the linchpin of them all . With due respect to Mule and his sensibility on the issue it is time for more articulate folk than I to discuss .

  • Farm.Dad

    I went , I commented , I was ( in my view ) polite . I also however said it like i see it , and now most likely just need to read and lurk . I will say that it is one of the better threads i have seen on the issue , its just that i see the issue as rather black and white , and no amount of well intentioned verbiage is going to budge me from my stance on any civil right , much less the linchpin of them all . With due respect to Mule and his sensibility on the issue it is time for more articulate folk than I to discuss .

  • Farm.Dad

    Cant add so AD be happy , I only shit on a throw rug , not the carpet LOL

  • Farm.Dad

    Cant add so AD be happy , I only shit on a throw rug , not the carpet LOL

  • Farm.Dad

    Bad ME i did not read all the comments , and once i posted i saw this gem Anonymous Anonymous said… The mistake Martin made was calling the police in a country where there is no right to self defense. Instead of letting the criminals kill him right away he chose to let the government kill him slowly in prison. He should have made sure neither criminal left the house. Using the trunk of his car he should buried the bodies where they wouldn’t be found. ” You Sir or Mam make all of us look bad . Granted i dont post by my real name , but neither does mule or ad . We however dont post as ” Anon” . It takes a great deal of moral fortitude to second guess any issue as an chariborne ranger from the safety of anon . You sir/mam are the folk who ” shit on the rug ” that ad mentioned . You set at home playing some first person shooter and think that is how the world works in the sense that someone can change a scene and make it ” all ok for them ” . Well hand ill tell ya what , the next time a doritos sack attacks ya in mom’s basement you just shoot it , and then take it out and bury it . That is as close to reality of a shooting as you are likely to get . Sorry for the carpet AD, delete the post if ya need/want to to keep a neat house .

  • Farm.Dad

    Bad ME i did not read all the comments , and once i posted i saw this gem Anonymous Anonymous said… The mistake Martin made was calling the police in a country where there is no right to self defense. Instead of letting the criminals kill him right away he chose to let the government kill him slowly in prison. He should have made sure neither criminal left the house. Using the trunk of his car he should buried the bodies where they wouldn’t be found. ” You Sir or Mam make all of us look bad . Granted i dont post by my real name , but neither does mule or ad . We however dont post as ” Anon” . It takes a great deal of moral fortitude to second guess any issue as an chariborne ranger from the safety of anon . You sir/mam are the folk who ” shit on the rug ” that ad mentioned . You set at home playing some first person shooter and think that is how the world works in the sense that someone can change a scene and make it ” all ok for them ” . Well hand ill tell ya what , the next time a doritos sack attacks ya in mom’s basement you just shoot it , and then take it out and bury it . That is as close to reality of a shooting as you are likely to get . Sorry for the carpet AD, delete the post if ya need/want to to keep a neat house .

  • tgtsmom

    “Chairborne ranger” – - OMG – I LOVE this place!!To Anon – you are a minion of Sumdood. Get thee behind me.

  • tgtsmom

    “Chairborne ranger” – - OMG – I LOVE this place!!To Anon – you are a minion of Sumdood. Get thee behind me.

  • LL

    Oh, oh, and another thing!The most telling interview I ever saw in my life was about 10, 12 years ago. Bill Richardson. You know, the NM guy. The one who was originally pegged for Commerce. Matt Lauer on the Today show asks him why he has always fought for gun rights while he was Governor of NM but when he was serving under Clinton, he supported gun control.Richardson’s response was along the lines of “I should never have listened to my constituents and I should have done what I thought was right and that’s why I’m supporting Clinton’s gun control initiatives.”Something along those lines. The whole “constituents are wrong” thing enraged me.I will NEVER forget that interview because it is that exact hubris that gets us in the spot where we are now…always checking over our shoulders to make sure more rights haven’t been taken away, especially gun rights.Amazingly, I never heard a peep out of any news organization after that interview about the fundamental problem with thinking his constituents, WHO ELECTED HIM, were wrong.

  • LL

    Oh, oh, and another thing!The most telling interview I ever saw in my life was about 10, 12 years ago. Bill Richardson. You know, the NM guy. The one who was originally pegged for Commerce. Matt Lauer on the Today show asks him why he has always fought for gun rights while he was Governor of NM but when he was serving under Clinton, he supported gun control.Richardson’s response was along the lines of “I should never have listened to my constituents and I should have done what I thought was right and that’s why I’m supporting Clinton’s gun control initiatives.”Something along those lines. The whole “constituents are wrong” thing enraged me.I will NEVER forget that interview because it is that exact hubris that gets us in the spot where we are now…always checking over our shoulders to make sure more rights haven’t been taken away, especially gun rights.Amazingly, I never heard a peep out of any news organization after that interview about the fundamental problem with thinking his constituents, WHO ELECTED HIM, were wrong.

  • Vinnie

    Well I said this:Peter said:”So, what makes the Second Amendment so different? Nothing in the text of the amendments would suggest the second is more absolute than the first that I’m aware of.““a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.“The fact that the constitution was written for mostly self educated people and now has to be interpreted by by people with masters degrees should be a warning call.As for keeping guns away from criminals, the people have been sold a bill of goods. Why are dangerous criminal on the street? These laws mollify people into thinking that it is ok to release dangerous criminal because they can’t get weapons. I want judges, juries and parole boards to be certain that the person in front of them can get a gun and act accordingly.

  • Vinnie

    Well I said this:Peter said:”So, what makes the Second Amendment so different? Nothing in the text of the amendments would suggest the second is more absolute than the first that I’m aware of.”"a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”The fact that the constitution was written for mostly self educated people and now has to be interpreted by by people with masters degrees should be a warning call.As for keeping guns away from criminals, the people have been sold a bill of goods. Why are dangerous criminal on the street? These laws mollify people into thinking that it is ok to release dangerous criminal because they can’t get weapons. I want judges, juries and parole boards to be certain that the person in front of them can get a gun and act accordingly.

  • Mark

    To respond to Crucis’s very accurate comment: “Brits are nor free men.”Most British men worry me. This is one major reason I’m leaving the country (albeit by fits and starts).I’ve lived here (the UK, where Great Britain used to be) for 32 years of my 34. And I realised last year that the vast majority of my friends would rather watch me die than get in trouble with the law. That just flipped the switch for me. Seems like I’d be better amongst strangers in the US than “friends” like that.

  • Mark

    To respond to Crucis’s very accurate comment: “Brits are nor free men.”Most British men worry me. This is one major reason I’m leaving the country (albeit by fits and starts).I’ve lived here (the UK, where Great Britain used to be) for 32 years of my 34. And I realised last year that the vast majority of my friends would rather watch me die than get in trouble with the law. That just flipped the switch for me. Seems like I’d be better amongst strangers in the US than “friends” like that.


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