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On The Second Amendment…

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…and lines in the sand. At what point do you draw yours?

My buddy Mule Breath posts a musing on the meaning and application of the Second Amendment. In it, he opines:

There are wing nuts on both ends of the gun issue, who make it difficult to conduct a reasonable debate on the subject; but I would like to try. I’ll start by posting the following. A friend sent this little ditty this morning by email, and I wanted to see if anyone is interested in commenting.

Go RTWT. You’ve probably seen the story in your e-mail inbox in recent days, anyway.

My comment was as follows:

Yet another example of the place where Great Britain used to be.

For me, the 2nd Amendment is the citizen’s defense against government tyranny, and should be defended vigorously.

And while you say that you are not totally opposed to gun control legislation, what legislation in your eyes would be reasonable?

Keep in mind, now, that many citizens (or is it subjects?) of Great Britain probably felt as you do, that some reasonable control of weapons was a good thing. Only now, they’re seeing, much to their dismay, how much incrementalism has eroded their rights.

It starts with registration. Then it expands to outright bans. They target the weapons the Average Joe or Nigel neither owns nor understands. “That sounds reasonable,” they’ll muse. “Why would any normal person want one of those weapons?”

And they support the ban.

And then comes the expanded registration. Then the ban is expanded to include guns that aren’t so unfamiliar or scary.

Only now, the government has legal precedent behind them, and a generation of children has been raised without handguns, and hence even granddaddy’s fowling piece or stag rifle looks scary to them. So naturally, they support the banning of those weapons. “After all,” they muse, “what would any reasonable person want with those weapons?”

And so it goes, on and on, until one day they wake up and discover that not only aren’t they allowed to possess any weapons, but they aren’t even allowed to defend themselves, period.

That’s the place where (formerly) Great Britain finds itself today. And I’ll die before I see the same thing happen in the United States – probably at the hand of my government.

That’s what the politicians do, Mule Breath. When the original assault weapons ban was proposed, it would have outlawed such guns as my daddy’s Browning A5 or a Remington 1100. Whether you believe such lunacy was intentional on the part of those who drafted the legislation or you believe it was an accident resulting from people too stupid to understand what they’re trying to legislate, doesn’t matter. Your rights are stripped, just the same.

I’ve heard you say before that the only difference between liberals and conservatives is what part of the Constitution they’re willing to piss on, and I agree.

But the reason I largely vote Republican and not Democrat is because the Republicans seem less likely to deny me the one Constitutional right I can use to defend all the others.

I know most of my readers are 2A supporters, but there are also a fair number of the medical readers who favor some level of gun control legislation. Some read from overseas, and don’t understand the American gun culture. What they don’t understand is that it’s not necessarily a gun culture. It’s a rights culture, and they’re used to not having any.

So go over there, read, and leave your comments, pro or con. Keep in mind now that Mule Breath is a friend of mine, and owner of a sizable arsenal of his own. Moreover, he’s a Texas gentleman, and I’d ask that you keep your comments/arguments civil and courteous when you visit his blog.

It would piss me off if Mule Breath welcomed my readers into his home, only to discover that they shit on the carpet while they were there.

  • Farm.Dad

    Hey folk i will opinionate a bit more on the comments here , or on one of my boards than i might elsewhere . However come on .. get real .. the solution of the ” gun problem ” lies between the bradys and the 3%ers . ” . We all have both a president and a congress who seem to lean towards the control end ( guns or otherwise ). Yall who did not like what ” W ” did well stand back and watch what happens now . folks ill tell ya this , i keep a shotgun just to shoot my unicorn before he/she leaves my yard . Other than the pointed pony i dont beleve a bit ( nor do i see how anyone could ) of what is being sold to me . All i can say is watch Ebay because i will be putting a genuine unicorn horn on there any day ( and i hear they taste a lot like spotted owl which is a plus for the hamburger ) .

  • Farm.Dad

    Hey folk i will opinionate a bit more on the comments here , or on one of my boards than i might elsewhere . However come on .. get real .. the solution of the ” gun problem ” lies between the bradys and the 3%ers . ” . We all have both a president and a congress who seem to lean towards the control end ( guns or otherwise ). Yall who did not like what ” W ” did well stand back and watch what happens now . folks ill tell ya this , i keep a shotgun just to shoot my unicorn before he/she leaves my yard . Other than the pointed pony i dont beleve a bit ( nor do i see how anyone could ) of what is being sold to me . All i can say is watch Ebay because i will be putting a genuine unicorn horn on there any day ( and i hear they taste a lot like spotted owl which is a plus for the hamburger ) .

  • Anonymous

    You know, I see these discussions crop up every now and then and chuckle to myself when the comments go into the high double-digits and very few folks ever make the connection about gun control that the politicians always hope you fail to see:<>Gun control has never, EVER been about the guns…it is about CONTROL.<> The last thing a politician wants to see is an ARMED, pissed-off constituent. Emails, letters, angry phone calls, and talk radio they can ignore. They also hope those of us that took the oath in the military have forgotten the part about “…all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC”.Bob in VA

  • Anonymous

    The last thing a politician wants to see is an ARMED, pissed-off constituent. Emails, letters, angry phone calls, and talk radio they can ignore. They also hope those of us that took the oath in the military have forgotten the part about “…all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC”.Bob in VA

  • TOTWTYTR

    I find a delicious irony in the fact that the same people who want to legalize drugs because “prohibition doesn’t work”, think that banning guns, or at least some of them, is going to <>reduce<> crime. Look at the crime statistics in any Commonwealth nation that has banned guns. Enhancing penalties for the unlawful use of firearms is the only thing that might work.

  • TOTWTYTR

    crime. Look at the crime statistics in any Commonwealth nation that has banned guns. Enhancing penalties for the unlawful use of firearms is the only thing that might work.

  • Crucis

    Mark, when you come here, you won’t be among strangers long. There are many here among the bloggers who will welcome you. You will find many like minded folks who will guard your back as you were guard theirs.

  • Crucis

    Mark, when you come here, you won’t be among strangers long. There are many here among the bloggers who will welcome you. You will find many like minded folks who will guard your back as you were guard theirs.

  • Rogue Medic

    Crucis,Great points. I believe that they were made more fully a couple hundred and change years ago by Thomas Paine.Read <>Common Sense<>.Free text downloads < HREF="http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3755" REL="nofollow">1<> and < HREF="http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/147" REL="nofollow">2<> from Gutenberg.org< HREF="http://librivox.org/common-sense-by-thomas-paine/" REL="nofollow">Free audio download<> from Librivox.orgYou may have noticed the picture of Thomas Paine on the left side of < HREF="http://muledungandash.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Of Mule Dung and Ash<>. I do not believe it is a coincidence. His observations on the British method of government are not less relevant today.On the other hand, Paine is not very politically correct. :-)

  • Rogue Medic

    . I do not believe it is a coincidence. His observations on the British method of government are not less relevant today.On the other hand, Paine is not very politically correct. :-)

  • Rogue Medic

    Bob in VA,You make a great point. It isn’t just about the Second Amendment, though.<><>Gun control has never, EVER been about the guns…it is about CONTROL.<><>Speech control is just another way of expressing attacks on free speech, such as anti-blasphemy laws.It isn’t about the speech. It is about the control. The Bill of Rights was to protect US, the Citizens of the US, from <>government control<>. Control by the government. Government, as described in <>Common Sense<>, is there to serve the People.

  • Rogue Medic

    , is there to serve the People.

  • Mule Breath

    AD, I’d like to thank you and your regular contributors for the fine visit we’ve had over at my place. Everyone was scrupulously polite. While at least a couple of your folks appeared like they would like to have started kicking ass, they didn’t, and for that I am grateful. The reason I like such debates is that it exposes folks to ideas they may not otherwise entertain. When a “pro gun nut” starts slamming an anti-gunner, calling names and verbally assaulting, the mind closes. Bless Farm Dad in particular for holding back, for I could see he wanted badly to pound at least one commenter. I understand that, and have been guilty of it in the past. He and others held fire and negotiated, and maybe… just maybe we opened an eye or two. At worst we showed that we could logically debate without being abusive. You, AD, and TOTWTYTR (both of you good friends) challenge my assertion that “the pen is mightier than the sword”, and I accept both of you for your sincere beliefs, but please consider this. In the days of the American Revolution, guns were plentiful. The law was British, and we were the King’s subjects. Subjects of the Crown were accustomed to being trod upon. It took a handful of thinkers, schooled in French revolutionary ideology, to foment revolution on these shores. Their tool was not the sword… it was the pen.In the end, the sword enforced the will of the people, but it took the pen to forge that will. If the people had resisted as individuals, they would have been destroyed and this Union would never have existed. It was the pen, incarnate in the form of a Declaration of Independence, the Federalist and Antifederalist papers, a Constitution and Bill of Rights, which has ensured and guaranteed our natural rights. It is the pen, incarnate in these blogs that help continue that tradition.For all who participated over on my blog, I would say that you shouldn’t be strangers. If you don’t like what I say, challenge me. I’ll challenge back. Maybe we’ll both have an opportunity to learn something. I’ve made a couple posts since the one we’ve been debating, related to the initial topic. One of them points to a possible controversy. If you haven’t already, you might enjoy reading them.

  • Mule Breath

    AD, I’d like to thank you and your regular contributors for the fine visit we’ve had over at my place. Everyone was scrupulously polite. While at least a couple of your folks appeared like they would like to have started kicking ass, they didn’t, and for that I am grateful. The reason I like such debates is that it exposes folks to ideas they may not otherwise entertain. When a “pro gun nut” starts slamming an anti-gunner, calling names and verbally assaulting, the mind closes. Bless Farm Dad in particular for holding back, for I could see he wanted badly to pound at least one commenter. I understand that, and have been guilty of it in the past. He and others held fire and negotiated, and maybe… just maybe we opened an eye or two. At worst we showed that we could logically debate without being abusive. You, AD, and TOTWTYTR (both of you good friends) challenge my assertion that “the pen is mightier than the sword”, and I accept both of you for your sincere beliefs, but please consider this. In the days of the American Revolution, guns were plentiful. The law was British, and we were the King’s subjects. Subjects of the Crown were accustomed to being trod upon. It took a handful of thinkers, schooled in French revolutionary ideology, to foment revolution on these shores. Their tool was not the sword… it was the pen.In the end, the sword enforced the will of the people, but it took the pen to forge that will. If the people had resisted as individuals, they would have been destroyed and this Union would never have existed. It was the pen, incarnate in the form of a Declaration of Independence, the Federalist and Antifederalist papers, a Constitution and Bill of Rights, which has ensured and guaranteed our natural rights. It is the pen, incarnate in these blogs that help continue that tradition.For all who participated over on my blog, I would say that you shouldn’t be strangers. If you don’t like what I say, challenge me. I’ll challenge back. Maybe we’ll both have an opportunity to learn something. I’ve made a couple posts since the one we’ve been debating, related to the initial topic. One of them points to a possible controversy. If you haven’t already, you might enjoy reading them.

  • TOTWTYTR

    Mule Breath, it was by force of arms, not quill of pen, that we wrested control of our country and our destiny from Britain. It was the “shot heard ’round the world”, not the “pamphlet read ’round the world”. Or as Al Capone is reputed to have said, “You get a lot more with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.” The Revolution started not all that far from where I sit typing this. It started over an attempt by British forces to confiscate firearms from colonials. They didn’t march there to take away pens or printing presses because they knew that words might be inspirational, but firearms are power. A note to those of you who will go to Mule Breath’s blog to debate. Be well prepared, because you’re in for a lively debate. As I’ve said about my friend before, he’s “Wicked Smaht”.

  • TOTWTYTR

    Mule Breath, it was by force of arms, not quill of pen, that we wrested control of our country and our destiny from Britain. It was the “shot heard ’round the world”, not the “pamphlet read ’round the world”. Or as Al Capone is reputed to have said, “You get a lot more with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.” The Revolution started not all that far from where I sit typing this. It started over an attempt by British forces to confiscate firearms from colonials. They didn’t march there to take away pens or printing presses because they knew that words might be inspirational, but firearms are power. A note to those of you who will go to Mule Breath’s blog to debate. Be well prepared, because you’re in for a lively debate. As I’ve said about my friend before, he’s “Wicked Smaht”.

  • Rogue Medic

    TOTWTYTR,If you scroll up several comments, I put links to <>Common Sense<> – <>The Pamphlet Read Round The World<>. It was the best seller if the 18th Century, the Harry Potter of sales of its day. It is what convinced the colonists to fight.Oppressive governments have relinquished control because of peaceful opposition, maybe as much as they have over violent insurrection, maybe even more. After a while the military realizes that they do not want to follow orders to kill their countrymen.

  • Rogue Medic

    . It was the best seller if the 18th Century, the Harry Potter of sales of its day. It is what convinced the colonists to fight.Oppressive governments have relinquished control because of peaceful opposition, maybe as much as they have over violent insurrection, maybe even more. After a while the military realizes that they do not want to follow orders to kill their countrymen.

  • Anonymous

    Confiscation(s) ALWAYS follows registration of weapons. Every time. It is the only practical reason for it. Serves no other purpose. Happens here in the US. Might be the reason that CA’s last attempt at registration went so badly. The DOJ indicated that they only got maybe 5% or LESS of the expected regs. Hmmm, might be it had something to do with the widely reported demand that owners of a particular type rifle immediately turn them in to local police? Happened after the first registration law. New York pulled the same stunt. You know the old saying about ignoring history….Will

  • Anonymous

    Confiscation(s) ALWAYS follows registration of weapons. Every time. It is the only practical reason for it. Serves no other purpose. Happens here in the US. Might be the reason that CA’s last attempt at registration went so badly. The DOJ indicated that they only got maybe 5% or LESS of the expected regs. Hmmm, might be it had something to do with the widely reported demand that owners of a particular type rifle immediately turn them in to local police? Happened after the first registration law. New York pulled the same stunt. You know the old saying about ignoring history….Will

  • Mule Breath

    TOTWTYTR says…<>It was the “shot heard ’round the world”, not the “pamphlet read ’round the world”. <>Perhaps, my dear TOTWTYTR, you missed my point, or overlooked it when I wrote…<><>In the end, the sword enforced the will of the people, but it took the pen to forge that will<><>

  • Tom Reynolds

    Just another Brit here.I’ll agree that because we are from different cultures I’m unlikely to understand your point of view, and that’s cool – you live in your culture, I live in mine and so long as we are polite and understand people are different it’s all good.With reference to self-defence, the big problem in the UK at the moment is that people don’t realise that we *do* have the right to defend ourselves, we can use reasonable force up to and including killing people who enter our houses if we have ‘reasonable suspicion’ that the person is going to do us, or our property harm.Unfortunately, the country is run by the media – and they only report the cases where someone has stepped outside of the law.The Tony Martin example is a classic case – if he’d shot the burglar while he was in the house he would have been able to plead self-defence, as it is he shot him in the back while he was running away from the house which I would suspect (though I don’t know) is also against the law in the US.But it hit the newspapers and it took off from there.What the media doesn’t do is write about the man who stabbed two thieves to death in his own house and wasn’t even charged – because the thieves were upstairs where his wife and daughter were sleeping and he was concerned for their safety…Personally I like the idea of not having guns around the place, partly because if someone wants to kill me I’d rather have them come up and fight me hand to hand rather than by some drunken shooting out of a window. Agreed, some of our bad guys have guns, but they tend to be reserved for ‘making a statement’ as they are somewhat rarer over here.Our thugs like stabbing each other though.The thing that makes me nervous about guns is that it isn’t going to be my fault that I get shot to death, it’ll be some idiot who doesn’t follow safe procedure, someone who’s gun goes off while they are cleaning it, or someone who is just plain drunk.Let’s face it AD, we both meet utter idiots in our line of work, is it any wonder that I’m a little worried about one of them getting their hands on a gun? We can pull over drunk drivers, but drunk shooters would only be arrested after the fact, right?(I dunno, do you get people drunkenly firing off guns and ‘negligent discharges’ over in the US? I’ve got to admit I’m just assuming that you do…)To put it another way, with UK culture the way it is, allowing pretty much anyone to carry a gun wouldn’t result in a safer culture, it’d be more dangerous. <>Likewise I’m not sure that taking guns away from Americans would make the US any safer<> – it’s all to do with the culture.Of course, we don’t have a constitution so we can’t go defending it…And to be honest, there are much worse things happening to turn us into ‘formerly Great Britain’ than gun control – there are politicians trying to pass a law that makes it illegal to photograph a police officer for instance.Anyway – all the above is written with respect, as I love going to the US for visits and holidays, and I feel quite safe there.

  • Tom Reynolds

    - it’s all to do with the culture.Of course, we don’t have a constitution so we can’t go defending it…And to be honest, there are much worse things happening to turn us into ‘formerly Great Britain’ than gun control – there are politicians trying to pass a law that makes it illegal to photograph a police officer for instance.Anyway – all the above is written with respect, as I love going to the US for visits and holidays, and I feel quite safe there.

  • FeuerTeufel

    I don’t think that there’s anything more then I can add that hasn’t already been stated in one form or another here …I think most of you are the smartest people that I’ve found on the internet.

  • FeuerTeufel

    I don’t think that there’s anything more then I can add that hasn’t already been stated in one form or another here …I think most of you are the smartest people that I’ve found on the internet.

  • Ambulance Driver

    “I dunno, do you get people drunkenly firing off guns and ‘negligent discharges’ over in the US? I’ve got to admit I’m just assuming that you do…”Of course we do. But the vast majority of our gun violence is in criminal activity, not drunken revelry, which by definition means it is already illegal.And making it <>illegaler<> is a futile exercise, if you take my point.You see media reports of drunks firing off rounds or accidental shootings involving legally owned guns, yes, but they comprise less than a single percentage point of the legal gun owners in America. In other words, a statistically insignificant amount. Yet the media reports it like it is commonplace because it serves their biased agenda – much like the biased internet agenda that neglected to report that Mr. Martin shot a fleeing criminal in the back as he was leaving the house.And yes, if that had happened in the US, Mr. Martin would also be facing prosecution.

  • Ambulance Driver

    is a futile exercise, if you take my point.You see media reports of drunks firing off rounds or accidental shootings involving legally owned guns, yes, but they comprise less than a single percentage point of the legal gun owners in America. In other words, a statistically insignificant amount. Yet the media reports it like it is commonplace because it serves their biased agenda – much like the biased internet agenda that neglected to report that Mr. Martin shot a fleeing criminal in the back as he was leaving the house.And yes, if that had happened in the US, Mr. Martin would also be facing prosecution.

  • Rogue Medic

    Tom Reynolds,Isn’t an arrest for drunk driving after the fact? The driver has to be in the car, with the engine running, or it isn’t considered drunk driving. The person who is pulled over, because of driving erratically while intoxicated, should be charged and deprived of his vehicle. It isn’t only when they crash into someone. Will most unintentional crashes, by drunks, kill anyone?The person, who is using a gun erratically while intoxicated, should also be charged and deprived of his gun. It isn’t only when they fire the gun. Will most unintentional shootings, by drunks, kill anyone?

  • Rogue Medic

    Tom Reynolds,Isn’t an arrest for drunk driving after the fact? The driver has to be in the car, with the engine running, or it isn’t considered drunk driving. The person who is pulled over, because of driving erratically while intoxicated, should be charged and deprived of his vehicle. It isn’t only when they crash into someone. Will most unintentional crashes, by drunks, kill anyone?The person, who is using a gun erratically while intoxicated, should also be charged and deprived of his gun. It isn’t only when they fire the gun. Will most unintentional shootings, by drunks, kill anyone?

  • Ambulance Driver

    “The person, who is using a gun erratically while intoxicated, should also be charged and deprived of his gun. It isn’t only when they fire the gun. Will most unintentional shootings, by drunks, kill anyone?”Tom, the legal term is “brandishing,” and yes it is illegal here.And again, rarely done by licensed gun owners. To carry a concealed weapon in most states, one has to take an approved course consisting of firearms safety, marksmanship and applicable gun laws.And it may surprise you to learn that most of the people who take such classes are safer, more knowledgeable about gun laws, and more accurate than many policemen who only are passingly familiar with the weapon issued to them.I’ll offer a comparison. In the mid 1980s, an Illinois suburb of Chicago called Morton Grove, IL passed an outright handgun ban – no handgun ownership within city limits. In response to that, a similar-sized city in another part of the country – Kennesaw, GA – passed it’s <>own<> handgun law. That law <>required<> every head of household within town limits to own, and yearly qualify with, a firearm.In the years since, violent crime – including gun crime – in Morton Grove skyrocketed, while violent crime of all types in Kennesaw plummeted. Kennesaw, GA is a very safe place to live, mainly because criminals think twice before entering a home where they know that, <>by law<> the homeowner has a weapon and knows how to use it.There’s a lesson to be learned there.

  • Ambulance Driver

    the homeowner has a weapon and knows how to use it.There’s a lesson to be learned there.

  • Anonymous

    If you justifiably use lethal force to defend you or your family why would you turn yourself in to a government you know will persecute you and imprison you for it?I’ll say it again, Martin shouldn’t have called the police. He should have cleaned up the mess and lived his life in the knowledge that he saved his family and his government sucks.Sorry if the language has offended some delicate sensibilities.

  • Anonymous

    If you justifiably use lethal force to defend you or your family why would you turn yourself in to a government you know will persecute you and imprison you for it?I’ll say it again, Martin shouldn’t have called the police. He should have cleaned up the mess and lived his life in the knowledge that he saved his family and his government sucks.Sorry if the language has offended some delicate sensibilities.

  • Robert C.

    To follow up more with Tom Reynolds remarks…Accidental gun deaths in the United States are extremely low, at around ~700-800 a year (789 as of 2005). You have a greater chance of dieing while crossing the street (6,047 deaths in 2005) or riding your bicycle (927 deaths). Hell, you have a greater chance of killing yourself while falling off furniture (899 deaths). http://www.nsc.org/research/odds.aspxThe vast majority of gun deaths in the United States involve suicides, being responsible for about 17,000 or so deaths a year. Suicides are unfortunately not at all effected by removing the tool used. For instance, in Japan, which has an overall suicide rate that is far higher than the US and bans guns fairly completely, stepping in front of a moving train is one of the more popular methods. As is taking a plunge from a tall structure.Of the other 11-12,000 or so deaths involving firearms each year, most involve the black market drug trade or the gangs that have taken advantage of the drug trade. This has led to speculation by some that legalizing drugs could significantly reduce the violent crime experienced in this country.

  • Robert C.

    To follow up more with Tom Reynolds remarks…Accidental gun deaths in the United States are extremely low, at around ~700-800 a year (789 as of 2005). You have a greater chance of dieing while crossing the street (6,047 deaths in 2005) or riding your bicycle (927 deaths). Hell, you have a greater chance of killing yourself while falling off furniture (899 deaths). http://www.nsc.org/research/odds.aspxThe vast majority of gun deaths in the United States involve suicides, being responsible for about 17,000 or so deaths a year. Suicides are unfortunately not at all effected by removing the tool used. For instance, in Japan, which has an overall suicide rate that is far higher than the US and bans guns fairly completely, stepping in front of a moving train is one of the more popular methods. As is taking a plunge from a tall structure.Of the other 11-12,000 or so deaths involving firearms each year, most involve the black market drug trade or the gangs that have taken advantage of the drug trade. This has led to speculation by some that legalizing drugs could significantly reduce the violent crime experienced in this country.

  • Mule Breath

    Robert C. said…<>This has led to speculation by some that legalizing drugs could significantly reduce the violent crime experienced in this country.<>Yes, indeed. This is fodder for a different thread, but that is exactly one of the reasons the <>War on Drugs<> is such a bad idea. I posted some on this over on my blog, if anyone is interested.http://muledungandash.blogspot.com/2008/12/why-prohibition-doesnt-work.html

  • Mule Breath

    is such a bad idea. I posted some on this over on my blog, if anyone is interested.http://muledungandash.blogspot.com/2008/12/why-prohibition-doesnt-work.html

  • Rogue Medic

    Just say <>No!<> to prohibitions.

  • Rogue Medic

    to prohibitions.

  • Tom Reynolds

    Cheers for all the replies, definitely some food for thought there. I think I will stick to the idea that having everyone in the UK armed wouldn’t work because of the different culture here. After all, all our young criminals are immortal and invulnerable – at least that’s what they tell me when I pick them up after being stabbed.And, to be honest, if I lived alone in America I’d probably own a gun myself. If I had children, probably not.(And that’s only because I know how sneaky I was as a child, and some of that has got to be genetic…)

  • Tom Reynolds

    Cheers for all the replies, definitely some food for thought there. I think I will stick to the idea that having everyone in the UK armed wouldn’t work because of the different culture here. After all, all our young criminals are immortal and invulnerable – at least that’s what they tell me when I pick them up after being stabbed.And, to be honest, if I lived alone in America I’d probably own a gun myself. If I had children, probably not.(And that’s only because I know how sneaky I was as a child, and some of that has got to be genetic…)

  • Erica

    Hi there AD commenters. I’m a member of a rare breed – the female California gun owner who recognizes the original intent of the 2A. I think both posts by AD and Mule Breath are excellent. My bottom line is that my guns are only secondarily for self defense. Their primary purpose is to be a constant reminder to the elected officials in this country of who, exactly, they work for.On another point, I believe Mr. Reynolds is showing an example of a misunderstanding that most people have of violent events:“Personally I like the idea of not having guns around the place, partly because if someone wants to kill me I’d rather have them come up and fight me hand to hand…”Criminals are stupid like foxes. They are stupid, which is why they are criminals instead of investment bankers (or do I repeat myself?), but they are smart in that most of them, no matter how crazed, will not enter into a situation where they perceive the outcome to clearly not be in their favor. They will use whatever leverage they have. A criminal is very unlikely to come up and fight you hand to hand. They will have a knife, they will have a crowbar, they will have a gun, or some other implement that puts them at a tactical advantage over you that lowers the risk to them. They already do not care about the law, they don’t care about your rights, they don’t care about you you feel or what you think, there’s no reason to believe they’d let anything that could tip the field in their favor pass. You’re not going to have a gentlemanly duel here. I see this kind of thinking a lot with women of my age group, who simply cannot process the fact that someone would use more force or more brutal force on them than they’d be willing to imagine using on someone else. The problem is that we end up with people being simply afraid to bring a gun to a knife fight, because they think the other fighter will have the decency to forgo their knife.

  • Erica

    Hi there AD commenters. I’m a member of a rare breed – the female California gun owner who recognizes the original intent of the 2A. I think both posts by AD and Mule Breath are excellent. My bottom line is that my guns are only secondarily for self defense. Their primary purpose is to be a constant reminder to the elected officials in this country of who, exactly, they work for.On another point, I believe Mr. Reynolds is showing an example of a misunderstanding that most people have of violent events:”Personally I like the idea of not having guns around the place, partly because if someone wants to kill me I’d rather have them come up and fight me hand to hand…”Criminals are stupid like foxes. They are stupid, which is why they are criminals instead of investment bankers (or do I repeat myself?), but they are smart in that most of them, no matter how crazed, will not enter into a situation where they perceive the outcome to clearly not be in their favor. They will use whatever leverage they have. A criminal is very unlikely to come up and fight you hand to hand. They will have a knife, they will have a crowbar, they will have a gun, or some other implement that puts them at a tactical advantage over you that lowers the risk to them. They already do not care about the law, they don’t care about your rights, they don’t care about you you feel or what you think, there’s no reason to believe they’d let anything that could tip the field in their favor pass. You’re not going to have a gentlemanly duel here. I see this kind of thinking a lot with women of my age group, who simply cannot process the fact that someone would use more force or more brutal force on them than they’d be willing to imagine using on someone else. The problem is that we end up with people being simply afraid to bring a gun to a knife fight, because they think the other fighter will have the decency to forgo their knife.

  • Erica

    Mr. Reynolds – I do have to apologize here, as I see you’re a medical professional who sees the aftermath of violence and does get in physical altercations in the course of your work. Obviously you very much know what you’re talking about. Please accept my prior statement as directed at those who don’t have your experience.

  • Erica

    Mr. Reynolds – I do have to apologize here, as I see you’re a medical professional who sees the aftermath of violence and does get in physical altercations in the course of your work. Obviously you very much know what you’re talking about. Please accept my prior statement as directed at those who don’t have your experience.


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