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Emergency Department: Physician On Duty…

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…but only during the hours of 8:00 am to 5:00 pm, and not on weekends, holidays or golfing Wednesdays. Paying patients only, Medicaid not accepted. Admittance conditional upon positive wallet biopsy. And not if you actually need emergency care or anything unprofitable. Not valid in some states. Enter at your own risk. Some patients may check in, but they don’t check out.


Give it a few years, and signs like the one above will be replaced with signs like this one:


A physician-owned specialty hospital called 911 for a critical patient who developed breathing problems after spinal surgery. I’ve run more than a few calls like this. An excerpt from the article:

The episode occurred at a small hospital that is owned and run by doctors — one of roughly 140 such hospitals around the country, with nearly two dozen more under development, that are set up to specialize in certain types of procedures like heart surgery, back operations and hip replacements.

These hospitals have been assailed for cherry-picking the most profitable procedures from the nation’s 4,500 or so full-service hospitals.

Critics have argued that the doctors have a financial incentive in sending patients to their own facilities, even when those patients might be better off having their surgery in regular hospitals.

Now I may be shooting myself in the foot here because I make a fair bit of money teaching certification courses at small specialty hospitals like these, but the article shines a spotlight on the ugly issue of money and health care. In my opinion, specialty hospitals are not good for our health care system.

Emergency Departments are colossal money losers just about everywhere you look. Lack of access to primary care, coupled with the paltry reimbursement from Medicaid that in many cases is far less than the actual cost of the care provided, forces a disproportionate number of the poor and uninsured to use hospital Emergency Departments as their primary health care portal. I don’t have statistics, but my experience tells me that the vast majority of these ED visits are clinic-type ailments that could and should be handled by the patient’s primary care physician, if they had one. But EMTALA places the financial burden of care for these people squarely on the shoulders of the hospital Emergency Department and by extension, the poor underpaid sap with “MD” following his name who is unlucky enough to be working there.

Most full service hospitals subsidize their Emergency Department losses with revenue streams from profitable areas like outpatient surgery, endoscopy and the like. Teaching hospitals can do it on the cheap because they have a steady supply of slave labor in the form of medical residents still learning their profession.

But these specialty hospitals siphon away the profits from the larger hospitals without being required to provide expensive emergency care services. In some cases, like the one cited here, there isn’t even a doctor on-site 24/7. Wood paneled rooms and the newest gee-whiz medical technology don’t do you a lot of good when your surgeon is sleeping at home in your moment of dire need. Give me an on-site doctor over a mint on the pillow every time.

Even Podunk General Hospital, Tire Repair, Nail Salon and Crawfish Hut has a doctor on-site 24/7, and we’re constantly wondering where the money for our next box of gauze is coming from.

What to do about the situation, I don’t know. The marketplace drove doctors to these specialty hospitals. You spend upwards of twelve years of your life in school learning the healing arts, sacrificing your sanity, time with your family and half a million bucks in tuition, you deserve the right to seek the highest compensation for the service you provide. In many cases, short-sightedness and lack of respect from the hospital administration were the culprit responsible for driving the physicians away. In other cases it was pure economics.

But the fact remains that our hospital system is starting to resemble a shriveled husk of buildings and infrastructure, while the people who keep the system propped up are starting to leave for greener pastures. The few dedicated ones who remain (Docs, nurses, mid-level practitioners and your humble scribe) are feeling the added burden. It’s only a matter of time before this whole house of cards collapses.

Congresscritters, either overhaul EMTALA and find a way to make primary care more accessible for patients and profitable for providers, or pass legislation requiring specialty hospitals to operate an Emergency Department.

Take your pick, but something has to be done.

And while you’re at it, it would be nice if the Medicare reimbursement for ambulance transport actually came close to covering the cost of ambulance transport. Otherwise, within a few years we’ll have nice, shiny, well-staffed hospitals and lots of very sick patients with no way to get there.

  • Jmarsh

    Why does it cost close to $2k for a two or three mile transport? Price quote New Orleans, summer ’06.

  • Jmarsh

    Why does it cost close to $2k for a two or three mile transport? Price quote New Orleans, summer ’06.

  • Ambulance Driver

    Typical Medicare reimbursement pays on the order of $200-350 per transport, plus $8-10 dollars per mile. Ambulance services rely on the vast majority of their reimbursement from Medicare. Medicaid pays roughly 20% of Medicare’s rates. Ambulance services may charge more, but that is what Medicare actually pays. The actual base rate varies with the level of service provided (BLS or ALS), how it was dispatched, and whether it was an emergency, non-emergency or inter-facility transport.Private insurers generally follow Medicare’s fee schedule, but often have looser definitions on what requires ambulance transport, appropriate destinations, levels of service provided for, etc.Critical care inter-facility transports pay the highest rates, with things like invasive monitoring, ventilators, extra attendants and so forth tacked on. Even so, the price usually doesn’t approach what you describe. New Orleans, post-Katrina, is an odd duck. A number of ambulance services from other areas deployed units there on FEMA contracts. I can’t speak with any degree of accuracy on what fee schedule was in place during that time. The fact remains that, your example aside, most ambulance services in the U.S rely on Medicare reimbursement for the vast majority of their compensation. That reimbursement generally falls at only 75% of the actual cost of providing the service.

  • Ambulance Driver

    Typical Medicare reimbursement pays on the order of $200-350 per transport, plus $8-10 dollars per mile. Ambulance services rely on the vast majority of their reimbursement from Medicare. Medicaid pays roughly 20% of Medicare’s rates. Ambulance services may charge more, but that is what Medicare actually pays. The actual base rate varies with the level of service provided (BLS or ALS), how it was dispatched, and whether it was an emergency, non-emergency or inter-facility transport.Private insurers generally follow Medicare’s fee schedule, but often have looser definitions on what requires ambulance transport, appropriate destinations, levels of service provided for, etc.Critical care inter-facility transports pay the highest rates, with things like invasive monitoring, ventilators, extra attendants and so forth tacked on. Even so, the price usually doesn’t approach what you describe. New Orleans, post-Katrina, is an odd duck. A number of ambulance services from other areas deployed units there on FEMA contracts. I can’t speak with any degree of accuracy on what fee schedule was in place during that time. The fact remains that, your example aside, most ambulance services in the U.S rely on Medicare reimbursement for the vast majority of their compensation. That reimbursement generally falls at only 75% of the actual cost of providing the service.

  • MauserMedic

    Hey, guess what we got <>across the parking lot<> from the hospital I work at? But…..guess who owns the half the docs don’t. The hospital I work at. Why? Think of half of all the primo reimbursement from non-medicare/medicaid insurance sources going into said hospital, w/o having to pay the same level of salaries, overtime, and benefits to the staff. And yes, not only has there been a few ambulance runs from them to us across the parking lot (I’m not making that up), there’s also been a hearse run from an “oops”. Great system.

  • MauserMedic

    from the hospital I work at? But…..guess who owns the half the docs don’t. The hospital I work at. Why? Think of half of all the primo reimbursement from non-medicare/medicaid insurance sources going into said hospital, w/o having to pay the same level of salaries, overtime, and benefits to the staff. And yes, not only has there been a few ambulance runs from them to us across the parking lot (I’m not making that up), there’s also been a hearse run from an “oops”. Great system.

  • Bonnie

    Health care in this country, in general, needs to be overhauled. It’s kind of sickening. I haven’t been able to afford health insurance for years, and can’t take advantage of any sort of system because I’m relatively healthy (which I AM thankful for). But when I have a bad problem, like the frequent bronchitis and tonsillitis I’m afflicted with in the summertime, it’s a pain in the butt to get it treated, because I can’t afford it.

  • Bonnie

    Health care in this country, in general, needs to be overhauled. It’s kind of sickening. I haven’t been able to afford health insurance for years, and can’t take advantage of any sort of system because I’m relatively healthy (which I AM thankful for). But when I have a bad problem, like the frequent bronchitis and tonsillitis I’m afflicted with in the summertime, it’s a pain in the butt to get it treated, because I can’t afford it.

  • Babs RN

    Living as I do in an “underserved” area the primary source of third-party payment for most of our clientele, emergency or not, is Medicaid with Medicare running (I’d wager to guess) a very distant second. With Medicaid reimbursements already dismally inadequate, we also now have our state cutting reimbursements for all services. Rather than take a harder stance on who qualifies for Medicaid to begin with, since they hand those cards out like candy at Halloween, they’d rather just cut not only the reimbursements for covered services, but also cut covered services as well. Between that and the entitlement mentality among our wonderful public we’re looking at a complete lack of availability of health care in the not-so-distant future. Everybody’s going to be bankrupted. Some area hospitals are revisiting EMTALA in an effort to find loopholes that will allow them to stem the tide of the clinic visits, but it’s a shaky proposition. Ultimately the docs aren’t willing to risk the liability of saying something is “nonemergent” and then have the patient go home and die from something missed during a standard medical screening exam. Nor are they particularly willing to listen to the patient yell at them when told that their paper cut does not constitute a medical emergency and their finger indeed will not fall off…just to have them show back up with it later after they’ve inserted the same papercut finger into their nose or other bodily orifice….and then get called into court for the ensuing cellulitis….well you get the idea. You know. You work in it too. I’ll get off my soapbox before I really jump on it…

  • Babs RN

    Living as I do in an “underserved” area the primary source of third-party payment for most of our clientele, emergency or not, is Medicaid with Medicare running (I’d wager to guess) a very distant second. With Medicaid reimbursements already dismally inadequate, we also now have our state cutting reimbursements for all services. Rather than take a harder stance on who qualifies for Medicaid to begin with, since they hand those cards out like candy at Halloween, they’d rather just cut not only the reimbursements for covered services, but also cut covered services as well. Between that and the entitlement mentality among our wonderful public we’re looking at a complete lack of availability of health care in the not-so-distant future. Everybody’s going to be bankrupted. Some area hospitals are revisiting EMTALA in an effort to find loopholes that will allow them to stem the tide of the clinic visits, but it’s a shaky proposition. Ultimately the docs aren’t willing to risk the liability of saying something is “nonemergent” and then have the patient go home and die from something missed during a standard medical screening exam. Nor are they particularly willing to listen to the patient yell at them when told that their paper cut does not constitute a medical emergency and their finger indeed will not fall off…just to have them show back up with it later after they’ve inserted the same papercut finger into their nose or other bodily orifice….and then get called into court for the ensuing cellulitis….well you get the idea. You know. You work in it too. I’ll get off my soapbox before I really jump on it…

  • Janean

    All I can say after that is “AMEN, BROTHER! Preach it!” And I ain’t being sarcastic! I totally agree!

  • Janean

    All I can say after that is “AMEN, BROTHER! Preach it!” And I ain’t being sarcastic! I totally agree!

  • Cybrludite

    The hospital I work at is hemmoraging cash due to our emergency department. I suspect the only reason we’re able to stay stable is all the big money stuff over on the clinic side. Basically we’ve got all the boutique stuff intergrated with the same facility that does the standard stuff due to how the company was formed.

  • Cybrludite

    The hospital I work at is hemmoraging cash due to our emergency department. I suspect the only reason we’re able to stay stable is all the big money stuff over on the clinic side. Basically we’ve got all the boutique stuff intergrated with the same facility that does the standard stuff due to how the company was formed.

  • Cybrludite

    Oh, and JMarsh, everything’s been priced through the nose here since Katrina. I’m paying over a buck & a quarter per square-foot for my less than fancy apartment. (Pity no one’s getting raises because of the cash hemmoarge from our ED being used as a free clinic by all the <>mojados<>…

  • Cybrludite

  • Jmarsh

    Cybrludite, that’s why we’re trying to get you the hell outta there (LSU_Nonleg=Jmarsh).The cost isn’t appreciably higher after Katrina, my EMT buddy has been working rigs for about six years after leaving NOFD. Point is, the expendables for someone with a “breathing problem” that turns around and walks out of the ED a short time later, added with labor, gas, etc., don’t add up to over a grand. This particular patient used it as a “free” taxi ride since one of his buddies lived near Charity. Times-Pic had a story that the city was really short of translators due to the influx of non-english speaking hispanic labor.

  • Jmarsh

    Cybrludite, that’s why we’re trying to get you the hell outta there (LSU_Nonleg=Jmarsh).The cost isn’t appreciably higher after Katrina, my EMT buddy has been working rigs for about six years after leaving NOFD. Point is, the expendables for someone with a “breathing problem” that turns around and walks out of the ED a short time later, added with labor, gas, etc., don’t add up to over a grand. This particular patient used it as a “free” taxi ride since one of his buddies lived near Charity. Times-Pic had a story that the city was really short of translators due to the influx of non-english speaking hispanic labor.

  • Raveen

    interesting had no idea about all this…

  • Raveen

    interesting had no idea about all this…

  • Loving

    True and sad…

  • Loving

    True and sad…


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